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[wabigbear]

Wagi I am going to call you out and hopefully not get banned. But I don't think I saw this when Becky did the contests. I would also like to call you out on this Well it's unfair because I never sent in any pics who ever opened my park took the pics NOT ME. I never knew you had to send in pics. And with this site going on line then offline who could vote?

Calling me out on what Dennis? Quite frankly Becky got fed up with the constant bickering and complaining that a vocal few were doing when it came to contests. That's why she decided she'd had enough. What do you mean this site goes online and then offline? I have had no problems accessing it multiple times per day myself.

Where did anyone say you had to send in screens? All that was said was that the parks were opéned and screenshots taken without any other changes. And switching from night to day IS a change. Some designers want spend a lot off time setting up the lighting and they think that shows off their park the best to have it set to night. Why would someone here second guess that?

You know last time an old friend (K0NG) stood up and called out a problem he got banned.

No, that is not true at all despite whatever you may have been told.

SO I think since there is a problem we need to have a REVOTE I mean to many people are upset and I don't wanna go on but there are 2 many problems I think we should have 1 last go at it. I mean it's want the people want so I am fine with it. And if you decide to say no then I understand.

Are you wanting a revote because you think the contest was unfair...or because you don't like who won? I think that's a fair question to ask. I don't run this contest, so the decision isn't up to me, but I would wonder what will be said after another round of voting if some people don't like the results...

Now Wagi I have no beef with you but you know to say this is crap is wrong. What I see (and correct me if I am wrong) is you are saying contests are crap. I mean read your reply.

What I'm saying is that the constant complaints by a few have caused many of the staff here to not want anything to do with contests at all, and is going to very soon reflect on whether we bother even having contests. I think I'm pretty clear that, like Becky, I'm also tired off this sort of crap.

Sambo Thank you for your time but I think I am just going to go back in to the shadows and keep quiet. I might also be banned for this. But life goes on.

So lets see if I get the same fate as a good friend named (K0NG) and thank you everyone for standing up for me.

Dennis, you are free to believe whatever your good friend told you, I don't really care, but we do not discuss disciplinary measures concerning any of our members publicly.

Look lets just end this I don't want to keep going on so if I get banned just give me the respect of knowing what will come of this topic is all I ask. And this will be my last contest.

Why would you get banned Dennis? You are being polite and staying within the bounds of a civil discusssion, people who do that are always welcome as members even if we don't always agree. We don't ban people for being polite and staying civil...

My point is that there's a group that are very quick to complain and make it out that somehow things aren't 'fair' here, especially when some of the accusations just plain are not possible. There seems to be a disconnect between something that's meant as a way to share what is supposed to be a FUN pasttime with those who seem to take this at a much more serious level. That is what is making many of the staff here want nothing to do with contests at all anymore, and that is what may endanger even having them here.

My point still stands, I think people really need to reflect on being so quick to complain.

Your request I'm sure will be considered by the persons in charge. The decision is theirs.

[viking16]

Wagi I could go on but that will do no good so I am just going to be quiet. I know whats going on here and am just going to give up. Wagi NO I DON'T WANNA BE BANNED. I am just telling you the way I see it. And yes sometimes I get banned for that. So for now on I am being quiet.

NO WAIT that is easy way out and people who know me know that aint me.

What do you mean this site goes online and then offline?

Wagi the last few days I and other people have gotten "Server Not found."

No, that is not true at all despite whatever you may have been told.

I was told some things but after reading that topic where he got banned for standing up and trying to get a better handle on the rules. But that is another subject.

Are you wanting a revote because you think the contest was unfair...or because you don't like who won? I think that's a fair question to ask. I don't run this contest, so the decision isn't up to me, but I would wonder what will be said after another round of voting if some people don't like the results...

NO I don't wanna revote the MEMBERS do. I also think it was unfair because many people know there was a problem in the poll. And I don't care who won. What I do care about is a fair vote. The only way something that would come from it is if we had a problem like this.

Dennis, you are free to believe whatever your good friend told you, I don't really care, but we do not discuss disciplinary measures concerning any of our members publicly.

Nor should you.

Now Wagi I can prove there is a problem with the voting look at the total number of votes it says 24 well take 12 + 11 and you get 23. Not 24. See we are missing a number? Where did that vote go? What does clicking null vote do? I mean yes you can change the vote in the sql but ohh well.

Edited by viking16, 03 June 2008 - 08:30 PM.

[wabigbear]

Wagi the last few days I and other people have gotten "Server Not found."

Has anyone reported that? I see nothing about it in the Site Dicussion topic, I didn't get any Report a Post messages, there's no notes in the staff areas, so unless a specific staff member was contacted (entirely possible) it's something that I'm only hearing about now. I haven't experianced any problems this week at all, that all I have to go by, and it's worked fine for me.

I was told some things but after reading that topic where he got banned for standing up and trying to get a better handle on the rules. But that is another subject.

Again, you know only a small part of the story and we're not going to discuss it. Let's leave it at that, please.

NO I don't wanna revote the MEMBERS do.

How many posts have there been made asking for a re-vote Dennis? 4-5? I'm sure the person running the contest is considering them.

I also think it was unfair because many people know there was a problem in the poll. And I don't care who won. What I do care about is a fair vote. The only way something that would come from it is if we had a problem like this.

This is what Sambo wrote:

There is nothing to check or nothing to recount. The polling is built into the forum software. It displays what gets selected - nothing more, nothing less. There is no location where we can do anything except set up the poll questions. There isn't even a Moderator option to close the poll and keep the forum open.

Now Wagi I can prove there is a problem with the voting look at the total number of votes it says 24 well take 12 + 11 and you get 23. Not 24. See we are missing a number? Where did that vote go? What does clicking null vote do? I mean yes you can change the vote in the sql but ohh well.

Since I know nothing more than what Sambo wrote above, I can't say that there is or isn't a problem...I don't have a clue how the poll works, only that according to Sam we don't have any control over it. The difference you mention may well be a problem, it also may well be because the poll may have been set not to allow the person who posted the poll to vote in it themselves, which I think is an option. I don't know for sure and I'll leave it to Sambo to check it out.

[Sambo]

Wagi I could go on but that will do no good so I am just going to be quiet. I know whats going on here and am just going to give up. Wagi NO I DON'T WANNA BE BANNED. I am just telling you the way I see it. And yes sometimes I get banned for that. So for now on I am being quiet.

NO WAIT that is easy way out and people who know me know that aint me.
Wagi the last few days I and other people have gotten "Server Not found."
I was told some things but after reading that topic where he got banned for standing up and trying to get a better handle on the rules. But that is another subject.
NO I don't wanna revote the MEMBERS do. I also think it was unfair because many people know there was a problem in the poll. And I don't care who won. What I do care about is a fair vote. The only way something that would come from it is if we had a problem like this.
Nor should you.

Now Wagi I can prove there is a problem with the voting look at the total number of votes it says 24 well take 12 + 11 and you get 23. Not 24. See we are missing a number? Where did that vote go? What does clicking null vote do? I mean yes you can change the vote in the sql but ohh well.

A null vote adds to the total count, but not a selection. 12+11+1(null)=24 - which is what the total was. There are no black helicopters. As for editing the sql - I suppose it is possible to do. There are only two people here with sufficient access to do that - one above reproach and could care less about contest outcomes, and me. So I suppose I am the criminal mastermind behind this.

Something any website operator can tell you is there is no such thing as 100% up time - especially on a hosted server. I am sorry that some people get "server not found" errors - I get them too and there's not a damned thing I can do about it.

As for what is "fair"...

The parks were opened as sent. No changes were made. Apparently it is unfair that a designer should have say about the operating hours of their park.

Screenshots were not required, and I was tasked with showing the parks so voting could take place. Apparently that is unfair as well because I clearly showed a preference in taking screenshots from three of the same locations for each park and then the rest showing the attractions and details. To be "fair" I should have not given any screenshots and let everyone imagine how the parks looked. No possible bias there. Of course I could require screenshots then the "fair" is on the ability of the parkmaker to capture the look they want. It may be more "fair" but we have a hard enough time getting entries, let alone placing more requirements on the parkmaker.

Members want the revote because they know there were problems in the poll? To be "fair" there will no longer be any polling for contests. If the software and/or the site operators can't be trusted, then the only "fair" thing to do is remove the chance that these inherently unfair things can affect contests by not allowing them in the loop.

No one has brought up what is "fair" for the site or the persons running the contest.

This is the last contest I will be involved in for the foreseeable future. Contests are always unfair to someone. If you want fair - go somewhere where you can trust the site and its people - because it is clear that we are not trustworthy in our member's eyes. Point forward - if a park gets promotion here by me (I cannot speak for the rest of our untrustworthy staff) it will be because I see some merit in it - not because it is a contest winner. That way there is no pretense of "fair". It is 100% my opinion - and you can disagree with my opinion, but fairness will have nothing to do with it.

The community is dwindling, we try to stir up some interest, and what we get is smacked down for being contest Nazis.

[Upperlevel the great]

Actually, I did get a 'server not found' in the past few days at random times, and I think a more organized revote would be a wise thing to do, thats fair to everyone, just vote for whoever you originally voted for.
And, EMN was just making a valid suggestion, no rudeness or anything and you said that was crap. I think you are just asking for bickering, just a simple no would have been fine to EMN.

I am putting my membership on the line about being banned, as Viking said, but whatever...

[Upperlevel the great]

Sorry, I started my post before I saw Sambos post, and he is absolutely right, not everything can be fair for everybody.
I think nothing being said (by me or anybody else at this point) is worth saying, and feelings are being hurt, and the community is suffering, so I think the safest thing to do now is have a mod close this topic before more things we regret happen.

[Buckeye Becky]

Um....wow

I cannot believe this attitude continues. The game and the community used to be so great. It's really sad. Wagi and Sam - you guys are the best, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

I was told some things but after reading that topic where he got banned for standing up and trying to get a better handle on the rules. But that is another subject.

I'm going to say this publicly in a forum one more time.
KONG did not get banned for saying something in a forum topic.
HE KNOWS WHY HE GOT BANNED.
and....if he doesn't want to admit that and tell you....
aint my problem.

[Upperlevel the great]

I'm sorry, I'm trying to take back what I said earlier, as I relize now that it is just contributing to this fighting.
So sorry.
And Wagi and Sam, I agree with Becky, you're the best!

[Sambo]

The concern for Banning is disturbing. It is not likely any of you will get banned for disagreeing with anything I have to say. Disagreements have fueled the community since the beginning. It is when the discussion becomes personal that there is concern. We have a Warning system that we use to let people know they are over the line. And members often report a post to let us know when someone has crossed a line.

Especially from Dennis I am concerned. I have worked with Viking16 on projects, and have always had civil discourse. Sure there have been times we haven't seen eye to eye, but I can't see for the life of me what I have done that has people discussing being banned.

I have feelings about how this ill-advised contest has played out, and no one but myself to blame for any irregularities in rules and expectations. I often have strong opinions and on occasion express them - as anyone else would, and have. Simply because I disagree with your opinion does not constitute grounds for banning.

I was serious about me personally not setting up another contest any time soon - The amount of effort for so little reward and so much grief wears on you. Try it some time and see for yourself...

[sshaunwatson]

In 2008 Winter Challenge the match was Drawn.it never consider as a draw in these type of contest.so that we are thinking what to do right now.all the player are thinking there is a tuft c condition that no one can suggest that this will be done.all the player are struggling about this winter contest condition.