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#11 dakinle

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Posted 25 May 2006 - 02:29 PM

Okay, scence I don't know what scenarios are allready done, could someone fill me in here a little?
And, like ultra said, the old scenarios are much better than the new, and I think better than RCT3 scenarios(those things are just wierd :wacko: )
So, anyways, goodluck with the recreations.
Out. :ph34r:


A quick history:

When RCT was the only game in town (so to speak), I was primarily a scenario player rather than a freeform player. I loved looking at other people's dream parks (the Danimation series was quite good for a while, and there were plenty of other places to get them from), but the most fun part of the game for me personally was playing the scenarios. The problem was that RCT did not include either a true sandbox mode, or a scenario maker (Fan made tools were created allowing for these eventually, but there was an ongoing battle between the game's fans, who wanted these items, and the game's maker and publisher who wanted to stop the fan mod community and continually updated the game's code to interfere with all fan-made tools and their game-save products - several years later this still sounds to me like an incredibly bizarre reaction towards the fan community).

Anyway, when RCT2 was being promoted (prior to release), the company listed a scenario maker as one of the new features (which was also supposed to allow for sandbox functionality - although that didn't quite work as planned because of coding limitations regarding the number of attractions available per fan-created "scenario" - but that's a different topic). I don't recall exactly when I figured it out - I think it was the day I bought the game (and actually read the manual to figure out how to use the scenario creator) - but tehre was a sentence or two that basically said that you could import RCT saved games into the scenario editor (although the rides and attractions would not import).

My original post is dated Oct 12, 2002 (see New Scenario Project). It's a fun read - as is this one: Diamond Heights Is Done (How it almost broke me and lessons learned). RCT Scenario Lover - I recommend you read them both, they could save you a lot of headaches that I experienced when first figuring out how to do this.

I believe that I eventually finished all teh RCT Original scenarios and all the scenarios from Corkscrew Follies/Added Attractions (although I may have not completely finished those - in fact looking here: Scenarios Revisited (pinned topic) it seems as I may not quite have finished the CF/AA ones - the last few times I checked the download section here at the site it was disabled so I can't check). I know that I personally never did any of the Loopy Landscapes ones (RCT Help did and so did someone else - but only a few of them got done - a lot of them are not easy - specifically ones that have rides already in them and other factors such as older rides, broken rides etc).

(*Personal Note: reading these kind of makes me want to go back and tackle the remianing ones myself - but I'll let RCT Scenario Lover do them).

As I recall, some of the difficulties were 1) that some of the coaster track pieces did not match up in the conversion from RCT to RCT 2 (for ex the steel minis lack steep drops in RCT2); 2) that there was a money limitation for starting cash, the goals (especially financial ones) were difficult to approximate - for ex RCT2 generates peeps much easier than RCT, the entire park value/ride value calculation got changed on RCT2, 3) that there were path and landscaping differences that need work arounds, 4) RCT2's scenario maker was designed to be "idiot proof" in terms of allowing a person to set building rights for purchase over a park entrance path - this disabled teh praicticality of purchasing building rights in at least two scenarios - I don't know if I even ever got around to fixing the RCT Original one Bumbly Beach, I think it was, hmmm - don't feel like looking it up right now).

I had a few different utilities and "trainers" that I used to help me out - some of them are practical impossible to recreate without them. The track decoder (mentioned in one of the old posts listed above) was particularly useful. I also used a very early RCT2 trainer from Henry Winklestein, and the 8 Cars Trainer. RCTHelp's page where he lists all the researchable rides and such was also extremely helpful - although note that I wasn't going for exact recreations - my idea was to update a bit and tryto get some of the new RCT2 rides into the mix so that it would not be exactly like plying RCT all over again.

In retrospect, I can objectively say that some of them were much better than others but it was a lot of fun, especially in the beginning. Too bad the path and scenary limitations annoyed me so much that I stopped playing RCT2 and went back to RCT1.

Anyway Bean - there's your history.

RCTSL - good luck.

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Posted 25 May 2006 - 03:07 PM

The RCT2 Scenarios revisited section at the rct2.com downloads section are the next things that I plan to move over to our new downloads system. It would be great to have some of the 'missing' scenarios added, so please advise us on status "RCT2 Scenario Maker", and we'll be glad to host them as you make them.



I think I've only recreated 3 of the LL scenarios in RCT2. They are Iceberg Islands, Octagon Park and (easily the most difficult to do) Megaworld Park.



For those that haven't played Megaworld Park in RCT1, you start with an absolutely filthy park, no staff, unreliable aging rides, not very much money, quite a lot of guests, and you have to stop the park rating from dropping below 600 while getting the guest numbers up.



It was very difficult to get this park 'just so' in the correct state for starting the scenario, and I did it without the help of any trainer! I had to substitute at least one junior coaster with something else, because RCT2 junior coasters don't have the same track pieces as RCT1.



In the end, I couldn't get it exactly right, and ended up with something that is slightly easier than the original.

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Posted 25 May 2006 - 03:52 PM

The RCT2 Scenarios revisited section at the rct2.com downloads section are the next things that I plan to move over to our new downloads system.



hmmm.....

now that is interesting, isn't it

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 04:46 PM

Okay, I'm starting work on Mineral Park's remake. It should be ready to go in about 30 minutes.

Wish me luck! ;)

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 05:14 PM

:P Told you it'd be fast!

I just finished Mineral Park, so it's in the docking bay, ready for uploading when the database is finally ready for uploading.

Perhaps I could do Coaster Crazy, as well... :ermm:

Oh, rcthelp, where is the status "RCT2 Secenario Maker"? Of course you can host my remakes!

Edited by RCT Secenario Lover, 29 May 2006 - 05:17 PM.


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Posted 29 May 2006 - 10:42 PM

Hey, when all of you have finished with the Original RCT remakes, can you put them all into a zipped file and then submit them onto the Downloads section?. I think that would make downloading these scenarios really easy and we can comment on them.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 08:03 PM

^ You should be asking rcthelp that, RCTTom. :lol: I'm not really up to date on zipping flies together. All the secenarios might be too big for it, anyway.

Anyways, great news! Coaster Crazy and Urban Park have been completed, and are waiting to be uploaded. I'm so proud of how much I've come in these remakes! :D

Geoffery Gardens will be ready by the end of the week! :wait:

Oh, shoot! I forgot that Cyclone made an Urban Park remake. But seeing that his site link won't be fixed, my version will be here, I guess.

Edited by RCT Secenario Lover, 04 June 2006 - 08:05 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2006 - 12:52 PM

Alright! I'm ready to do Geoffery Gardens!

^Hey, I just thought: why IS Geoffery Gardens called that? Oh, Geoffery is a name, just like Katie's World, Mel's World, Gentle Glen and Wacky Warren.

I still will never find out why Chris Sawyers wanted to name secenarios after names. Maybe he wants to give his friends some recognition. :lol:

Anyways, Geoffery Gardens will be ready soon!

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 09:30 PM

Don't worry, I am alive, and I am working on some more secenarios. I've finished Geoffery Gardens and Razor Rocks recently. I'll do a Crater Lake remake soon, seeing that Cyclone's link is still-

WHOA! :blink: I totally forgot! RCT Town has Cyclone's remakes! Just click on RCT2 secenarios, and they're there. I'm still making my version of Crater Lake's remake.

So, what other Loopy Landscapes secenarios do I need to do? Remember, I'm trying to avoid the coaster ones because of the versatility (<--- Is that even a word?) of them.

Grand Glacier
Crazy Craters
Woodworm Park (possibly, the train would be challenging. :unsure: )
Icarus Park (My version)
Sunny Swamps (possibly, the water coaster is easy to build, but you know, it might not :rolleyes: )
Thunder Rocks ( a slight possibiltiy: the vertical coaster is simple, but I don't know about the chairlift)
Pleasure Island
Icicile Worlds
Pacifica
Urban Jungle
Terror Town
Venus Ponds
Micro Park

Count me out on Heide-Park and Blackpool Pleasure Beach. I SUCK at real world remakes. :thumbdown: Fort Anchornism is out of the question, too.

Well, I'm off to do Crater Lake. Wish me luck, and I hope that my version will be alright. :unsure:

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 04:25 PM

When are you going to upload the ones you've made?




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